This guy came in and showed all these fake advertising campaigns and fake brands of vodka. One of my all-time favorite funny people was Jack Douglas. We went to the Stratford Shakespeare Festival in Connecticut and interviewed the star of the play, and I wrote this incredibly bitchy Rex Reedish interview with her and got an outraged letter from her press agent. The duo were discussing their childhoods, saying as children they were never able to partake in "adult" conversations unless they were . Lebowitz: I was 19 at the time, so I thought it was entertaining. Lebowitz: No. I really wanted someone to save me. We would think of them together, and then he would execute them. My inspiration for wanting to be a beatnik was not Allen Ginsberg or Jack Kerouac but Maynard G. Krebs from the Dobie Gillis show. Maybe 20 people had read it, and he acted like it was in the Daily News. My parents did. It was incredibly boring writing that stuff. CLEMENTE: No, I can sleep. I didnt do anything interesting. No one has ever said it that way. She has been a resident of Manhattan, New York since 1970. And its not my desire to make New York more suburban. OK, come on. I said, How could I help you choreograph a ballet? Fran Lebowitz is a world treasure. But all the rest of them were, including Jeb Bush. Lebowitz: I didnt worry about it. Would you say, You just cant afford to house four children. Because if people dont hold grudges, it means they just dont care what people do.FRAN LEBOWITZ, LEBOWITZ: It was for The New York Times. Because I could not possibly be in a relationship now for more than six days. I think my most enormous smoking punishment was being grounded for a month. Im such a slow writer I have no need for anything as fast as a word processor. The first time I ever came to New York by myself, I snuck to New York on a bus and bought a pair of bongo drums with all the money Id saved my whole life, which was $12. Now, even if you have money, you can have a horrible apartment. . And I participated a lot in market research. I was simply sent away to support them. I like Thurber. The idea of writing something without publishing it is too horrifying to me. You see a young girl wearing a headscarf, and standing next to her is a Hasid. . Lebowitz will appear on stage for four performances only . Anna Rahmanan. All-around cultural oracle Fran Lebowitz really began her ascent to that pulpit here at Interview, in 1972, writing a wonderful column about terrible movies, and then covering the waterfront, as she called it: opining on sundry topics, giving advice, ranting, reflecting, and hooking the reading world (such as it is) on that voicethat saucy, The book was released in a 1994 compilation entitled The Fran Lebowitz Reader along with Lebowitz's other bestseller Social Studies. I did that for a couple of years. And as Fran took on polyester, landlords, press agents and pop psychology, her reputation grew. French symbolist? Why dont you just put two of them in storage? I was very bitter about it because I had before me what seemed to be a successful future. But all the girls I knew when I was young who had to workthere were rich girlsbut the ones who had to work were waitresses. But because I was young, I had this long hair, and people used to try to tip me with joints. But my mother didnt tell me. Glenn OBriens interview with the iconic Fran Lebowitz from the August, 1978 issue of High Times magazine. She was an outsider in Antigua, and she looked different. Their antidote to this was giving me about 22 Thorazines. Then 50 questions, then 20 questions, then, finally, you said, Can you see Im trying to read?. I didnt want to have my consciousness expanded, I wanted to have it restricted. She went from the New School in Manhattan to Franconia College in New Hampshire, and worked at Magnum Photos and at the teen magazine Ingenue. In the mid-70s, she began to write for The Village Voice, but it was at The New Yorker, where she became a regular columnist for the Talk of the Town section, that everything changed for her. In the vein of Lebowitz's acclaimed Netflix limited series, Pretend It's a CityThe Fran Lebowitz Reader brings together two of the famed author's bestsellers, Metropolitan Life and Social Studies.In "elegant, finely honed prose" (The Washington Post Book World), Lebowitz limns the vicissitudes of contemporary urban lifeits fads, trends, crazes, morals, and fashions. Book 7. So every time I move, they have to be moved around, and I always fight with this guy when we do this, because he is a private librarian, which means, generally, he works for very rich people who never read their books. Two rare items of Andy Warhol: 1) Pop goes art - Institut fr Popkultur - 1990 - Box - Contains several items: - Glossy folder of loose-leaf art-paper reproductions. I didnt know how to type, Marc knew how to type. Her voice is as musical as ever, high-pitched, the Anglo-Caribbean lilt beguiling. I also cleaned peoples houses, specializing in Venetian blinds. They used the big Big Apple sign to lure these people who hate New Yorkbecause everyone hated New York thento New York. I firmly believe that. But to this day I have never seen a worse movie. This has never occurred. Its almost as good as being a mechanic. High Times: Have you gotten any marriage proposals? But this idea that people cannot kill each other? Its like the two worst possible things you could imagine together. Not only dont they not understand people different from them, they hardly understand themselves. You might say that was the influence of my mother. They had very good writers, but they were these old, stout white men. I would wake up and be so excited because I could smoke. 19 January 2021. And especially the ones that I knew. There are musings about Times. I now dread the getting-it-typed part as much as I dread the writing part. The idea wasnt that I would establish myself and then have the rest of my family join me. Id call it Hello, This is Fran.. Or I would call people on the telephone and have their responses broadcast. Im not afraid to be on TV. High Times: Do you remember the first funny thing you ever said? SHOP NOW. Lebowitz: Daddy. My mother taught me to say that so I would wake my father up instead of her. Its not human nature. I sold belts on the street. The essays were published inMetropolitan Life(1978) andSocial Studies(1981). I played cello in the school orchestra, but I was so horrible that I soon got over the notion of being a cellist. There were times when my mother and I would go swimming and she would disappear for a second, and I would imagine the depths just rolling over her, that shed go deeper and deeper and Id never see her again . LEBOWITZ: No. I didnt lead a riot or set fire to the gym or do anything James Deanish. There is no such thing as inner peace. The thing that would irk me the mostaside from driving the cab; as you know, Im very lazy, I hate to workpeople would say, Was that a good job? I hate all jobs, okay? And I feel this way more and more about the Republican candidates, certainly. I answered Steve Pauls telephone and was a general schlepper and errand girl for him, and I drove for him. New Yorkers, weve seen Donald Trump for, like, 30 years; we know who he is. I published it under the name of the headmaster who threw me out of school. Holding a grudge is the modern equivalent of having standards. I was not surprised to see this. I finish things now, and I think, Who was the last person who typed for me? Im very vilified for this, I have to say. You have to say fuck, you have to have these kinds of sex. So he gave me enough Thorazine to put the entire college to sleep. Any attempt to prove otherwise constitutes unacceptable behavior. I have to take all the junk off the desk and wash the desk. Lebowitz: My writing habits are basically nonwriting habits. I like Dorothy Parker. Two rare items of Andy Warhol: 1) Pop goes art - Institut fr Popkultur - 1990 - Box - Contains several items: - Glossy folder of loose-leaf art-paper reproductions. In The Fran Lebowitz Reader, that first book has been re-released in combination with her second 1981 essay collection, Social Studies. Im sorry, were full up. To celebrate, were republishing Glenn OBriens interview with the living legend from the August, 1978 print edition of High Times. Some years ago, Lebowitz sold a proposal of a novel entitled "Exterior Signs of Wealth," a reference to a French conspicuous-consumption tax figured on the basis of display of wealth. This is America, what is the culture? And then they would get it, and I would get these polite little letters back rejecting it. The way the admissions director of Harvard decides who goes to Harvard, Id like to decide who comes here. I just dont want to hear someone else walking around. It decimated not just artists but knowledge. Lebowitz: The Village Vanguard. CLEMENTE: Did you take drugs before you were 19? A brief follow-up conversation took place over the phone to Lebowitz, who had decamped to Princeton, New Jersey, where she was renting the house of a noted architect and sometime furniture designer. Bei/Shutterstock. I never would start writing before midnight and I would finish at, like, seven in the morning. They had one guy who was like an Elvis imitator, only he imitated Oscar Wilde. 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Then I switched to Carlton in an attempt not to smoke too much, and now I smoke nine times more Carltons than I ever smoked anything else. Lebowitz: Actually my main occupation in bed was book reports. Also a TV show that was on Sunday morning for four hours: I cant remember the name of it, but Sonny Fox was the emcee. You're only as good as your last haircut. I was at that time living on the floor of a friends room at Boston University, and I knew that if I didnt smoke that ounce of marijuana, someone else would. Fran Lebowitz, ace epigrammatist, is further a first-rate conversationalist, a hall-of-fame bibliomaniac, a chronic self-caricaturist, a gal-about-town, the soul of the city, a snappish social . He was probably grumpy. You can blame certain things on me, but not Donald Trump. And then, that machine is waiting for you, just humming uh-huh, yes?. ' Thats how I feel. Like there is an American family where someones supposed to be president. High Times: Did you ever get any bad reactions from your bad movie reviews? Used Planes comes out every single month. LEBOWITZ: Or ballet. Its not an area of interest. I dont want them to come. Here's what started happening: A few years ago, kidsand by which I mean, my friends' kidsstarted coming up to me and saying, 'Fran, where'd you get those vintage glasses?' And I said, 'They . Saying no is a little different. During that period I had stripes cut on my hands. People were pretty angry in general then. Lebowitz: I smoked Tareyton the longest, then I switched to Lark. Me and, like, five of what I then thought of as old menthey were probably 40smoking cigars, watching these movies. They also deserve him as candidate, all these so-called mainstream RepublicansI dont know what thats supposed to mean. The knowing audience also died and no longer exists in a real way. I used to steal hers. I always liked people who are older. Since we are on the pages of Interview magazine, should we go back to your beginnings at Interview? I never had any machines. My whole movie consciousness was based on movies no one else had ever seen. The only shows I remember when I was a little kid are Miss Francess Ding Dong School, which I watched because everyone made fun of me because my name was Frances. I like Ebony too, but its no Sepia. It was really a passion with me. So we always have this fight, because I have a biography section, and he doesnt like that, because its so inelegant to have a biography section. High Times: Did A.I.P. I used to like this guy Milt Kamen. Lebowitz maintains that she wrote the columns with the intention of building a distinct collection of essays. But its important who the president is. Thanks for offering this from your Archive. No matter how dull they are, they still have to figure things out for themselves. screening with three movies and lunch. LEBOWITZ: No. Lebowitz: I dont know if any inspire me. Polka Dotty ate seeds and celery tops, and my mother would give me Polka Dottys food, and I would go downstairs and eat it. Did Lucy come out of a feeling that you needed to put your arrival to America in its place somehowto examine it, or to leave it behind? I wanted to know what a vodka for women meant. Your friends who dont write will not stay on the phone with you, because they have other real things they want to do. And at the end of the book report you were supposed to tell people where they could get the book, and I would always say. So I went to his studio several times while he was making the ballet. Fran Lebowitz: "A dumb woman is the preferred woman in the USA" The essayist and speaker on her Manhattan lockdown, 9/11 and disappointing Americans - from Andy Warhol to Joe Biden. LEBOWITZ: This has happened to me my whole life. Lucy stops sending her salary home, and I did stop sending mine. Your email address will not be published. But John Springer banned me from his screenings. A Bic pen. Its very disconcerting to be in the basement of a night club at ten oclock in the morning reading poetry on a stage with a spotlight on you and no one there. After gaining recognition for her I Cover the Waterfront, Lebowitz moved onto Mademooiselle before publishing her first two books, Metropolitan Life and Social Studies. Im simply not a fan of navet. Those memories are a constant source of some strange pleasure for me. Not at all, because I was going as a servant. It was terribly disconcerting because I knew that they werent going to cure me. CLEMENTE: But if you drink a little bit of coffee before you go to sleep, this doesnt happen. I was a chauffeur for Johnny and Edgar Winter. Lebowitz: Not Samuel Z. Arkoff or anyone, but the press agent there loved me. He was the most inventive cabbie I ever met. This is not England. He wrote a lot of books. Gauloises, English Ovals, any cigarette that looked like it would annoy people. Metropolitan Life, published by E.P. Fran Lebowitz has realised George Costanza is, in fact, an idiot. Although complaint was her form, the result was a celebration of practical intelligence, a kind of Dr. Atkins epicureanism. When it was on at 1:30 I saw no reason to get up in the morning, but now its on at 11:30, so sometimes I wake up to watch it. Their consciousness is so different from ours that they constitute a different species. I like that Oscar Wilde. I know Ive said this before, but the audience for the artswhether it was for writing or films . CLEMENTE: I know you follow politics, and I always thought you would make an excellent mayor of New York. And at that time he had every important movie, and that ended my movie-reviewing career. And just think how fantastic New York would be. And you didnt have to think about money every second. Lebowitz: I went through a period of watching $20,000 Pyramid, but it was too frustrating because every day I won $20,000 and I have no money. . Youre so judgmental I would find it helpful. CLEMENTE: The blood pressure will drop. "Eric Adams I saw coming. Then I read it to someone who writes it onto the computer. Id read five or six each time I went on. But I wanted to be a beatnik when there were already hippies. I saw a lot of movies that were never released because people knew of my interest in that sort of movie, so I often went to distributors screenings and sat with 12 men with cigars. High Times: Do you ever think you cant do it? There were just tons of these and I never waited tables. Lebowitz was born in 1950 in Morristown, New Jersey, the daughter of furniture store proprietors. 2011. I dont need anything so snappy. I do remember that the worst movie I ever saw was called Four Flies on Gray Velvet, with Mimsy Farmer, one of your great loves. Fabulous. 817K views 3 years ago #amanpourpbs Known for her sardonic wit, social commentator Fran Lebowitz is a New York legend. As a Democrat, Id quite like him to be the candidate. Which, in my opinion, was: What is culture without gay people? On the Boston University phone you dialed N-E-E-D and a concerned Jewish graduate student came over and took me to Mass. I think I first came across it in one of the Bronts. They like machines because it makes them seem more masculine. Hes not going to be president. We were all really jealous of him. I was quite happy to be out. I just knew an eight-year-old wrote it and it was published. I think Brigid Polk did that once. But this was the 60s, and there were all of these Harvard medical students there learning to be doctors, so all the doctors in the hospital had hair down to their shoulders and granny glasses. I get rid of the ones that I can bear to give up or never wanted to begin with. Thats the problem. It was The Modern Farmer. I had this aunt who had a book called The Night Visiters. AS NEW.' Known for her white shirts and blue Levis jeans, Fran Lebowitz was named one of the most stylish women by 'Vanity Fair's 68th Annual International Best Dressed List in 2007. More than it works in any other place. We lived in these horrible places. Another time I saw a real pretty girl standing in front of the mirror with a little tiny cigarette butt hanging out of her mouth, teasing her hair. "If you can eat it, it's not art. And, of course, New York was always more expensive than any other place in the United States, but you could live in New Yorkand by New York, I mean Manhattan. Theyre all right-wing nuts. General? And I said, Because I liked your clever ads.. Everyone was paid in cash. CLEMENTE: What aspect of New York do you think has really fundamentally changed? To me, it would be even a slower way to write. But I moved into that apartment in 1970 or 69; there was no ceiling in the bathroom. January 30, 2011. One day I went downstairs to eat Polka Dottys food, my mother told me that Polka Dotty had flown south for the winter. Why was your first apartment so horrible, apart from the roaches? Then I moved to New York and switched to exotic foreign brands. No one I knew talked about money. Lebowitz: I guess after about six months I started getting caught constantly. At twenty-one, she began a column, I Cover the Waterfront, for Andy WarholsInterviewmagazine, before moving toMademoiselle. On the way he started to drive into a tunnel, and I decided they might be going into a tunnel but I wasnt, so I tried to jump out of the car. Did you find subject matter in your taxi rides? LEBOWITZ: Money. And I like cities. The two things I hate the most. June 15, 2021 6:30 AM PT. The arrival of my youngest brother had plunged us into a kind of poverty wed never known. The person who checks you in and takes your name and insurance came over to me and actually said, to me, Why did you choose Mass. I wasnt an interesting behavior problem. But it's a pleasurable one. As boring as reading it. At twenty-one, she began a column called "I Cover the Waterfront," for Andy Warhol's Interview magazine. I remember it because when I started publishing, I got offers to write for big magazines. It could be clean and less dangerous, and not horrible, not under a tidal wave of tourists. After addressing her reaction to the Mueller . I am alternately very gregariousvery sociableand then very solitary. He said theyd fix it. A.I.P. You might want this, but I will do that. Brooklyn was the borough of grandparents. Good Books Books To Read Acceptance Speech National Book Award Wordsmith Great Words Ex Libris Reading Material Women Humor More information . I remember one of the best days of my life was an all-day A.I.P. And in order to do that, you have to change it so they like it. I loved getting the measles and colds so I could sit on the couch and watch all those morning situation comedies. American International made so many great movies that theyve all melted in my mind into one great A.I.P. She is alive to the advantage in the irony that her literary heritage had not predicted her, exalted, brave, free. These were oral book reports. But what I cant be is monogamous. Lebowitz: I wrote a book when I was about eight called The Secret Castle that owed a lot to Carolyn Keene, who wrote the Nancy Drew books. I believe that at birth everyone gets the capacity for a certain amount of drugs and alcohol, everyone the same, you can do it all between 15 and 19 like I did, or you can stretch it out over 70 years. I saw an ad in the Village Voice that said WantedPoets. This really weird guy named Jack Scully, who was an ex-monk, had somehow convinced Max Gordon, who owned the Village Vanguard, that the fact that the Vanguard was empty during the day was losing him a great fortune. I hate money. . But after a while Fran outgrew the bad-flick format. Interview still frame courtesy of Stephanie Black. I write with a pen. I got up every morning, brushed my teeth and went to the Village Vanguard and read poetry. Then she published two books of essays Metropolitan Life and Social Studies - both wonderful. I never write anyone letters. I remember I got $500 for it. She has published the novels Annie John (1985), Lucy (1990), The Autobiography of My Mother (1996), Mr. Potter (2002), and See Now Then (2013). I used to be able to do it without feeling it, but now Im in bed for three days afterward. She takes one. Stay home! You have an idea for an app? High Times: How far did you get in school? While working in the local Carvel ice-cream store, she attended an Episcopalian day school until she was thrown out for non-specific surliness. Certain that she would starve to death following this banishment, Lebowitz skipped college and moved to Manhattan, where she pursued such jobs as taxi driving, belt peddling, apartment cleaning (with a small specialty in Venetian blinds), and selling advertising space forChangesmagazine. I once read that deer are in the rodent family, and I still believe this. I would have liked to have met Nabokov. I started being a poet when I lived in Poughkeepsie, and I wrote a book of poetry called Poughkeepsie Blood. CLEMENTE: I think in your life youve said no more than yes. They dont have to be particularly interesting children; just the fact that they are children is sufficient. But for I Cover the Waterfront, ordinarily I would go out to dinner with Marc the night beforeand when I say dinner, I mean some hamburger place or somethingand I would think of ideas, and then I would go home. I remember walking in the hot sun to one of the American bases in Antiguapast the crazy house, as we called the lunatic asylum, and the dead house, where the bodies of people who died in the hospital were put until they were collected by the undertakerto be interviewed by an American soldiers wife. She began a similar column (although PG rated) in Mademoiselle. I went to bed earlier than anyone in the world. I have two animal theories. Her father, Harold Lebowitz, owned a furniture store and upholstery workshop. I didnt connect with the fact that her father was a lord and that he had it privately printed, and that my father was not a lordhe owned a furniture store and had no intention of having a book privately printed. Scorsese ventures that it was at a literary party on New York City . There was a sink in the bathroom. I like Family Circle, Ladies Home Journal, anything with recipes that use marshmallows and American cheese in the same dish. We didnt live well. Things that people will say to me, mostly, is that you shouldnt have all these books. LEBOWITZ: When I move, I do. High Times: Were you a behavior problem in school? CLEMENTE: Have you been following the presidential campaign? What are they going to possibly say thats of interest? Thats true of her music, but its also applicable to her podcast, Norah Jones is Playing Along.. The psychiatrist also had shoulder-length hair and Levis under his white coat, and I spent ten minutes arguing with him over whether Id taken acid or smoked pot. They made me wait three hours to see the psychiatrist, and by that time I was starting to come down. It was kind of adolescent-petulantsulking, rebellious. And sometimes I went on at ten oclock in the morning and read to the guy sweeping up from the night before. My first action on coming to New York was walking into Grove Press, plunking down the manuscript and demanding they publish it. I believe Im a great friend. Plus they are paid by the minute. Well, perhaps, but I never really felt I belonged even in Antigua, even when I was little. Interview, at the time, six people read it, believe me. It actually works here. Most families are a bunch of unattractive dopes. I had always heard that Jeb Bush was the smart one. I think there should be an oldies TV station like theres an oldies radio station, with Dobie Gillis and Life of Riley and all those great shows. This conversation began at a public event at the 92nd Street Y in 2013, and was picked up again in her Vermont kitchen eight years later, in the summer of 2021, when the social restrictions of the pandemic had, for a time, eased. CLEMENTE: Since we are New Yorkers, we should talk real estate. Fortunately they didnt, so its not around to haunt me. The first thing I did was a movie review column, just bad movies, called Best of the Worst. There used to be a company called AIP, American International Picturesthey mostly made movies for drive-ins; some of them would come to Times Square. Lebowitz: I was beatnikesque. There are some great writers who are great talkers, but there are more great writers who are not great talkers. I would personally just like to vet each person. ever react to your devotion to their product? I think if there were no such thing as men, there would be no word processors. Now I call up friends during the day and theyre writing. Lebowitz: Because I was 19 years old. Talking is not writing. Theres too much distance. There could be butchers and bookstores. Like a city. FRAN LEBOWITZ. In fact, most of the offending language appears in the trailer alone. Im going out. Im the only person left who is this irresponsible. I wrote an editorial about the matron and got kicked off the paper. Thats why visitors was misspelled. The two close friends first came together for an HBO documentary Public Speaking in 2010, directed by Scorsese, which introduced Lebowitz to a new generation and helped established her continued relevance. had one incredible movie after another. One of them was my columns. Meeting James Joyce would be more on the order of sightseeing, like seeing the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial. The terrace that starts at the back door ends in a border of stones; the lawn, planted with thousands of daffodils, slopes down to a thickly shaded creek. But now, as Ive grown up, all my friends have developed much more mature writing habits. I had such contempt for a certain kind of writing, which I would now call white writing. It was so dull and mannered. 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